Sunday, November 17, 2013

Is college necessary for all



Tara




Education vs Experience
·       A prospective lawyer going to work in a law firm instead of working on their master’s degree
·       If your car broke down would you want somebody to fix it who went to school for mechanics but never actually touched and automobile, or somebody who owns their own shop and fixes cars everyday but lacks a piece of paper?
·       People who do the bare minimum in college, just enough to get by, do they know more about a certain topic than somebody who has been working in the field for 4 years?
o   They are going to be taught something in school but never learn it and then they are going to have to actually learn it when they get in the field, which is a waste of 4 years because they could have been making money instead of working their way into debt.
·       Huge difference between your professor teaching it and quizzing you on it rather than using the skill in real life.
·       A college degree states that you can succeed in academia, not in a job
·       Getting a degree in technology, will be useless because while you’re learning it, it is already becoming replaced by something higher and more technical than the first.
o   Working in the field, you are constantly learning and being taught the new material.
·       In sales, having a record of bringing in and making a lot of money will trump a college degree
·       Getting experience and making a name for yourself in a company is important. If they wish to promote you and you need a college degree, there is a great chance that the company will pay for you to go to school because they know how good of a worker you are.
o   My step dad is an electrician and at first he started at a low paying job, working with one of his friends. He started making a name for himself and the company and after 2 years he was promoted and sent to college by his boss (for free.) Now, 6 years later, he is working for a company that works for rich and famous people making 6 figures a year, doing the same thing that he has been doing since he was 17, being an electrician.





Kevin


Student Loans $1 trillion in the US.  www.forbes.com/sites/hardeepwalia 9/26/2013, Hardeep Walia


Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, Richard Branson, all didn't go to college. Forbes.com Top RIch List


Plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters median pay $47,000. While median pay for all other jobs with a college degree is $33,000 including college debts.


money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post ( Airee Picchi, 05/20/2013 Mike Bloomberg, Skip college become a plumber.


By 2018, 14 million well paying jobs available for people who finish high school


diploma, but lower than a college degree, so basically 2 year associate degree.


there are 115,000 Janitors who have a college degree.


A college Degree may not be worth the cost. Brooke Berger, 05/09/2013.



45% of people show no improvements in critical thinking after college. 44% in 2009 were unemployed with a degree.



Jeff’s Argument


David Leonhardt, a writer for the New York Times, wrote “only 33 percent of the freshmen who enter the University of Massachusetts, Boston, graduate within six years. Less than 41 percent graduate from the University of Montana, and 44 percent from the University of New Mexico”.
From these statistics gathered across the nation we can see that the number of college drop outs is alarmingly high.  This is due to 3 reasons,
            1: New students are unprepared academically for the rigors that college classes present.
            2: They don’t know why they are in college i.e. they don’t have good time management skills,                               motivation, or life skills to succeed, and
            3: They become psyched out when they realize that the first semester will basically determine                   their performance academically for the next four years.
The high rate of drops show plainly that college is really not for everyone and that some people should save their time and money for other pursuits.


Rebuttal:
When making this argument, I realized that the reasons I mentioned can be taught to college students and should be taught to high school students but, to be frank, these skills are not being taught in high schools and most college students don’t have the motivation or the awareness to go get help until it is too late. But, this all depends on the student’s personality type. If they are hard headed, they will most likely not drop out even if it is too late to get help.


Opening Statement
a college degree states that you can succeed in academics not in a job
a degree in technology will be useless by the time you get to use it bc technology will be newer and more improved
Not everyone who goes to college is prepared for it, which leads to a high college drop out rate, which makes colleges and the country on a whole look bad.




Education
Percentage
87.65%
Some college
57.28%
Associate's and/or Bachelor's degree
40.58%
Bachelor's degree
30.94%
Master's degree
8.05%
Doctorate or professional degree
3.07%


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